Балтийский флот в мире МЦГМ.

[boroda]

Ну что можно сказать ждём кораблик с нетерпением. Про рисование скажу что я тоже только Пэйнтом рисую, а когда расскрашиваю вообще карандашами. И ещё мы этот кораблик в какой нибудь из флотов вписывать будем? Если да то в какой?.

[galapagos]

Во Флот Свободных Республик Евразии(им. Прудона)-Шутка

Ваще-то мне проще в3д.

[galapagos]

Под "игрой в кубики" я как раз понимаю создание новых типов боевых единиц без возможности создания на данный И.О В. дополнительных видов вооружения и механизмов,возможных при данном уровне развития технологии.Ибо если в сотый раз прокрутиь фильм "Чапаев",то василий Иваныч на стопервый раз все равно урал не переплывет

[boroda]

а вот что такого появилось и произошло в МЦГМ для раннего появления однокалиберных ЛК (список уже неоднократно прилагался - СУО, броня, машины etc.) так и не ясно...

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Совет Бороде:не называйте наши пароходы "дредноутами",тогда 75% скептически настроенных товарищей отстанут.

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Тут я скорее стал заложником своего названия "ДРЕДНОУТ". Мои корабли не попадают под классический all-big-gun. Это скорее многобашенные броненосцы, которые должны появляться из идей выжившего Кольза (имеется ввиду не из ума :angry:) . Он был поклонник многобашенности. Классический Дредноут конечно должен появиться после какой ни будь войны. В нашем мире таковой будет Русско-Японо-Испано-Американская.

[Cobra]

Кстати коллега Борода а слабо мои линкоры и крейсера расскрасить???? :angry:

[Vova7]

Ваще-то мне проще в3д.

Рисовать в 3д? А где нить можно на Ваши произведения полюбоваться?

[boroda]

Кстати коллега Борода а слабо мои линкоры и крейсера расскрасить????

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Не не слабо. Просто принтер на работе полетел. Если заметили я пока ничего не расскрашиваю, потому что рисунки нужно распечатать на ватмане. А начну именно с ваших.

Кстати, если уж возник вопрос то дайте ссылки на самые последгие версии кораблей. А то я давнень ко в МЦМе не был.

[Cobra]

возник вопрос то дайте ссылки на самые последгие версии кораблей.

Ой ето к Вове.......... Он главный издатель....:

Последняя версия справочника здесь..................http://files.mail.ru/CWEX6M

[Vova7]

Последняя версия справочника здесь.

но это в ПДФ... а в doc давайте я Вам коллега boroda на почту вышлю

[von Echenbach]

СуперНаварин - :-))) - это гипертрофированый вариант ВМ и АИ абсурда, шутка по-иному. Но смотрится романтично, особенно его 6 труб.

Развивать линию АИ описательную в настоящее время совершенно нет времени, к сожалению.

[boroda]

Вов в шарповском расчёте не могу справится с вкладкой - Weapons.

Будь любезен, растолкуй. Лучше в разделе про Шарп.

[boroda]

Просчитал Сисой на Шарпе.

Sisoy Velikiy, Russia Battleship laid down 1892 (Engine 1891)

Displacement:

11 593 t light; 12 234 t standard; 13 111 t normal; 13 812 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)

(442,91 ft / 442,91 ft) x 72,18 ft x (21,98 / 22,98 ft)

(135,00 m / 135,00 m) x 22,00 m x (6,70 / 7,00 m)

Armament:

6 - 12,01" / 305 mm 40,0 cal guns - 829,70lbs / 376,35kg shells, 100 per gun

Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1892 Model

3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, evenly spread

Aft Main mounts separated by engine room

16 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 100 per gun

Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1892 Model

16 x Single mounts on sides amidships

16 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,19lbs / 1,45kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model

16 x Single mounts on sides amidships

14 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 1,48lbs / 0,67kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model

14 x Single mounts on sides amidships

Weight of broadside 6 779 lbs / 3 075 kg

6 - 15,0" / 381 mm, 0,00 ft / 0,00 m torpedoes - 0,000 t each, 0,000 t total

In 2 sets of submerged side tubes

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 7,02 ft / 2,14 m

Ends: 10,0" / 254 mm 59,06 ft / 18,00 m 7,02 ft / 2,14 m

88,58 ft / 27,00 m Unarmoured ends

Upper: 5,00" / 127 mm 426,51 ft / 130,00 m 7,02 ft / 2,14 m

Main Belt covers 103% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:

1,57" / 40 mm 426,51 ft / 130,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 7,99" / 203 mm 7,99" / 203 mm

2nd: 5,00" / 127 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 2,52" / 64 mm For and Aft decks

- Conning towers: Forward 9,02" / 229 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:

Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,

Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 375 ihp / 6 248 Kw = 16,00 kts

Range 4 440nm at 10,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 1 578 tons (100% coal)

Complement:

612 - 796

Cost:

Ј1,118 million / $4,471 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 1 239 tons, 9,4%

Armour: 4 213 tons, 32,1%

- Belts: 1 847 tons, 14,1%

- Torpedo bulkhead: 163 tons, 1,2%

- Armament: 1 158 tons, 8,8%

- Armour Deck: 937 tons, 7,1%

- Conning Tower: 108 tons, 0,8%

Machinery: 1 523 tons, 11,6%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 618 tons, 35,2%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 518 tons, 11,6%

Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

21 416 lbs / 9 714 Kg = 24,7 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 3,3 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,35

Metacentric height 5,2 ft / 1,6 m

Roll period: 13,3 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 63 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,70

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,95

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has a flush deck,

a normal bow and a cruiser stern

Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,653 / 0,658

Length to Beam Ratio: 6,14 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 21,05 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 32

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):

Fore end, Aft end

- Forecastle: 20,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m

- Forward deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m

- Aft deck: 35,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m

- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m

- Average freeboard: 19,69 ft / 6,00 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101,1%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 150,5%

Waterplane Area: 24 557 Square feet or 2 281 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 148 lbs/sq ft or 725 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,92

- Longitudinal: 2,17

- Overall: 1,00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

скрыть

[boroda]

Просчитал Наварин. В размерах Наварина скрывалась та же ошибка что и в СуперНаварине, пришлось всё увеличить на 1,17. Изначальный запас прочеости позволил его очень не плохо забронировать.

Navarin, Russia Battleship laid down 1890 (Engine 1889)

Displacement:

14 591 t light; 15 550 t standard; 16 614 t normal; 17 465 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)

(433,07 ft / 433,07 ft) x 88,58 ft x (25,26 / 26,32 ft)

(132,00 m / 132,00 m) x 27,00 m x (7,70 / 8,02 m)

Armament:

8 - 12,01" / 305 mm 40,0 cal guns - 829,70lbs / 376,34kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model

4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread

8 - 5,98" / 152 mm 35,0 cal guns - 100,47lbs / 45,57kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model

8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread

18 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 43,0 cal guns - 3,09lbs / 1,40kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model

18 x Single mounts on sides amidships

12 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 23,0 cal guns - 1,40lbs / 0,63kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model

12 x Single mounts on sides amidships

Weight of broadside 7 514 lbs / 3 408 kg

6 - 15,0" / 381 mm, 0,00 ft / 0,00 m torpedoes - 0,000 t each, 0,000 t total

In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 285,43 ft / 87,00 m 6,99 ft / 2,13 m

Ends: 12,0" / 305 mm 147,64 ft / 45,00 m 11,48 ft / 3,50 m

Upper: 5,00" / 127 mm 285,43 ft / 87,00 m 4,27 ft / 1,30 m

Main Belt covers 101% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:

12,0" / 305 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 12,0" / 305 mm -

2nd: 5,00" / 127 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 2,48" / 63 mm For and Aft decks

Forecastle: 2,99" / 76 mm Quarter deck: 2,99" / 76 mm

Machinery:

Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,

Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9 812 ihp / 7 320 Kw = 16,00 kts

Range 4 500nm at 10,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 1 915 tons (100% coal)

Complement:

731 - 951

Cost:

?1,076 million / $4,303 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 807 tons, 4,9%

Armour: 7 777 tons, 46,8%

- Belts: 2 301 tons, 13,8%

- Torpedo bulkhead: 3 348 tons, 20,1%

- Armament: 730 tons, 4,4%

- Armour Deck: 1 399 tons, 8,4%

Machinery: 1 833 tons, 11,0%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 174 tons, 25,1%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 022 tons, 12,2%

Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

33 212 lbs / 15 065 Kg = 38,4 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 8,8 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 2,11

Metacentric height 13,4 ft / 4,1 m

Roll period: 10,2 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 94 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,10

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,87

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has raised forecastle,

a normal bow and a cruiser stern

Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,600 / 0,605

Length to Beam Ratio: 4,89 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 20,81 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):

Fore end, Aft end

- Forecastle: 45,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m

- Forward deck: 30,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m

- Aft deck: 10,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m

- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m

- Average freeboard: 15,91 ft / 4,85 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72,8%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 84,0%

Waterplane Area: 28 058 Square feet or 2 607 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 605 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,95

- Longitudinal: 1,69

- Overall: 1,00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent

Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

скрыть

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Просчитал Гангут. Так же ничё получился. Бронирование чуть слабее чем у Наварина.

Gangut, Russia Battleship laid down 1888 (Engine 1887)

Displacement:

12 517 t light; 13 357 t standard; 14 387 t normal; 15 211 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)

(380,91 ft / 380,91 ft) x 82,02 ft x (24,61 / 25,81 ft)

(116,10 m / 116,10 m) x 25,00 m x (7,50 / 7,87 m)

Armament:

6 - 12,01" / 305 mm 35,0 cal guns - 799,46lbs / 362,63kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1888 Model

3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread

18 - 5,98" / 152 mm 35,0 cal guns - 98,95lbs / 44,88kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1888 Model

18 x Single mounts on sides amidships

16 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 2,93lbs / 1,33kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1888 Model

16 x Single mounts on sides amidships

2 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 33,0 cal guns - 1,42lbs / 0,64kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1888 Model

2 x Single mounts on sides amidships

Weight of broadside 6 628 lbs / 3 006 kg

4 - 15,0" / 381 mm, 0,00 ft / 0,00 m torpedoes - 0,000 t each, 0,000 t total

In 2 sets of submerged stern tubes

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 216,54 ft / 66,00 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m

Ends: 12,0" / 305 mm 164,04 ft / 50,00 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m

Upper: 5,00" / 127 mm 216,54 ft / 66,00 m 3,28 ft / 1,00 m

Main Belt covers 87% of normal length

Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Torpedo Bulkhead:

8,86" / 225 mm 216,54 ft / 66,00 m 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 12,0" / 305 mm -

2nd: 5,98" / 152 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 2,48" / 63 mm For and Aft decks

- Conning towers: Forward 7,99" / 203 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:

Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,

Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9 657 ihp / 7 204 Kw = 16,00 kts

Range 4 500nm at 10,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 1 854 tons (100% coal)

Complement:

656 - 853

Cost:

?1,117 million / $4,466 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 1 029 tons, 7,2%

Armour: 5 194 tons, 36,1%

- Belts: 1 933 tons, 13,4%

- Torpedo bulkhead: 1 630 tons, 11,3%

- Armament: 693 tons, 4,8%

- Armour Deck: 836 tons, 5,8%

- Conning Tower: 102 tons, 0,7%

Machinery: 1 875 tons, 13,0%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 418 tons, 30,7%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 870 tons, 13,0%

Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

23 025 lbs / 10 444 Kg = 27,4 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 4,7 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,62

Metacentric height 8,3 ft / 2,5 m

Roll period: 11,9 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 93 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,42

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,86

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has low quarterdeck ,

a normal bow and a cruiser stern

Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,655 / 0,660

Length to Beam Ratio: 4,64 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 19,52 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):

Fore end, Aft end

- Forecastle: 20,00%, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m

- Forward deck: 30,00%, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m

- Aft deck: 28,00%, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m

- Quarter deck: 22,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m

- Average freeboard: 16,35 ft / 4,98 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94,2%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123,7%

Waterplane Area: 24 043 Square feet or 2 234 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 152 lbs/sq ft or 743 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,91

- Longitudinal: 2,40

- Overall: 1,00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

скрыть

[boroda]

Шарповский расчёт Николая Первого. Бронирование ещё хуже.

Nikolay I, Russia Battleship laid down 1886 (Engine 1885)

Displacement:

12 007 t light; 12 729 t standard; 13 673 t normal; 14 427 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)

(423,23 ft / 423,23 ft) x 77,10 ft x (24,61 / 25,72 ft)

(129,00 m / 129,00 m) x 23,50 m x (7,50 / 7,84 m)

Armament:

6 - 12,01" / 305 mm 35,0 cal guns - 787,00lbs / 356,98kg shells, 120 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model

3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread

Aft Main mounts separated by engine room

16 - 5,98" / 152 mm 35,0 cal guns - 97,41lbs / 44,18kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model

16 x Single mounts on sides amidships

18 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 2,88lbs / 1,31kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model

18 x Single mounts on sides amidships

2 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 33,0 cal guns - 1,39lbs / 0,63kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model

150 x Single mounts on sides amidships

Weight of broadside 6 335 lbs / 2 874 kg

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m

Ends: 8,86" / 225 mm 157,48 ft / 48,00 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m

3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends

Upper: 5,00" / 127 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 3,28 ft / 1,00 m

Main Belt covers 95% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:

8,86" / 225 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 12,0" / 305 mm -

2nd: 5,98" / 152 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 2,48" / 63 mm For and Aft decks

- Conning towers: Forward 7,99" / 203 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:

Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,

Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 978 ihp / 6 698 Kw = 16,00 kts

Range 4 000nm at 10,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 1 698 tons (100% coal)

Complement:

631 - 821

Cost:

?0,896 million / $3,583 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 626 tons, 4,6%

Armour: 5 674 tons, 41,5%

- Belts: 1 944 tons, 14,2%

- Torpedo bulkhead: 1 976 tons, 14,4%

- Armament: 760 tons, 5,6%

- Armour Deck: 895 tons, 6,5%

- Conning Tower: 98 tons, 0,7%

Machinery: 1 745 tons, 12,8%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 962 tons, 29,0%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 666 tons, 12,2%

Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

26 960 lbs / 12 229 Kg = 33,1 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 5,7 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,81

Metacentric height 8,8 ft / 2,7 m

Roll period: 10,9 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 99 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,27

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,98

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has low quarterdeck ,

a normal bow and a cruiser stern

Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,596 / 0,602

Length to Beam Ratio: 5,49 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 20,57 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):

Fore end, Aft end

- Forecastle: 20,00%, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m

- Forward deck: 30,00%, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m

- Aft deck: 35,00%, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m

- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m

- Average freeboard: 16,78 ft / 5,12 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81,1%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127,2%

Waterplane Area: 23 777 Square feet or 2 209 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 628 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,93

- Longitudinal: 1,91

- Overall: 1,00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

скрыть

[Vova7]

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 7,02 ft / 2,14 m

Ends: 10,0" / 254 mm 59,06 ft / 18,00 m 7,02 ft / 2,14 m

88,58 ft / 27,00 m Unarmoured ends

Upper: 5,00" / 127 mm 426,51 ft / 130,00 m 7,02 ft / 2,14 m

Main Belt covers 103% of normal length

чьей закалки? Нужна как миниму гарвея - а круппа еще нет...

Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 375 ihp / 6 248 Kw = 16,00 kts

а че так мало? и у всех так :comando:

- Torpedo Bulkhead:

8,86" / 225 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

мамочки а зачем такая переборка? убирайте ее и делайте всем скорость 17-18 узлов

[Гость]

длинна, длинной - правильно пишется - длина. длиной, ДЛИННЫЙ

[Vova7]

Правильно представляться :rolleyes:

[boroda]

длинна, длинной - правильно пишется - длина. длиной, ДЛИННЫЙ

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Странно но Ворд ошибку не светит. Полез в словарь действительно коллега вы правы. Снимаю шляпу.

чьей закалки? Нужна как миниму гарвея - а круппа еще нет...

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В Вундерваффе по каждому кораблю пишется тип брони. Видимо и на наших будет такая же.

а че так мало? и у всех так

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Видимо больше не нужно для заявленной скорости.

мамочки а зачем такая переборка? убирайте ее и делайте всем скорость 17-18 узлов

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А какую переборку поставить. Но я думаю скорость не добавлять. Это всё же скорость РИ кораблей, а вот бронирование в других местах добавить можно. Или подскажите что ещё можно добавить кроме скорости?

[Vova7]

А какую переборку поставить.

Максимум 40мм, а то у Вас вес переборки почти столько же сколько у бортовой брони получается!

Или подскажите что ещё можно добавить кроме скорости?

скорость точно до 17 узлов, ну и длины пояса чтобы такого Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces не было...

[boroda]

Спасибо за советы. Кстати только сейчас начал немного понимать как пользоваться Шарпом. И хочу всем сообщить что это очень увлекательно, чуствуешь себя настоящим конструктором.

[boroda]

Подредактировал расчёты.

Николай I - за счёт противоторпедной переборки увеличил скорость до 18 узлов

Nikolay I, Russia Battleship laid down 1886 (Engine 1885)

Displacement:

11 379 t light; 12 102 t standard; 13 673 t normal; 14 929 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)

(423,23 ft / 423,23 ft) x 77,10 ft x (24,61 / 26,46 ft)

(129,00 m / 129,00 m) x 23,50 m x (7,50 / 8,06 m)

Armament:

6 - 12,01" / 305 mm 35,0 cal guns - 787,00lbs / 356,98kg shells, 120 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model

3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread

Aft Main mounts separated by engine room

16 - 5,98" / 152 mm 35,0 cal guns - 97,41lbs / 44,18kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model

16 x Single mounts on sides amidships

18 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 2,88lbs / 1,31kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model

18 x Single mounts on sides amidships

2 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 33,0 cal guns - 1,39lbs / 0,63kg shells, 150 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model

150 x Single mounts on sides amidships

Weight of broadside 6 335 lbs / 2 874 kg

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 265,75 ft / 81,00 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m

Ends: 8,86" / 225 mm 157,48 ft / 48,00 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m

Upper: 5,00" / 127 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 3,28 ft / 1,00 m

Main Belt covers 97% of normal length

Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Torpedo Bulkhead:

1,57" / 40 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 22,97 ft / 7,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 12,0" / 305 mm -

2nd: 5,98" / 152 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 2,48" / 63 mm For and Aft decks

- Conning towers: Forward 7,99" / 203 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:

Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,

Direct drive, 2 shafts, 13 978 ihp / 10 428 Kw = 18,00 kts

Range 4 500nm at 12,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 2 827 tons (100% coal)

Complement:

631 - 821

Cost:

?1,010 million / $4,039 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 626 tons, 4,6%

Armour: 4 061 tons, 29,7%

- Belts: 1 956 tons, 14,3%

- Torpedo bulkhead: 351 tons, 2,6%

- Armament: 760 tons, 5,6%

- Armour Deck: 895 tons, 6,5%

- Conning Tower: 98 tons, 0,7%

Machinery: 2 717 tons, 19,9%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 976 tons, 29,1%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 293 tons, 16,8%

Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

19 527 lbs / 8 857 Kg = 24,0 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 3,0 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,80

Metacentric height 8,8 ft / 2,7 m

Roll period: 10,9 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 95 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,25

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,89

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has low quarterdeck ,

a normal bow and a cruiser stern

Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,596 / 0,605

Length to Beam Ratio: 5,49 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 20,57 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):

Fore end, Aft end

- Forecastle: 20,00%, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m

- Forward deck: 30,00%, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m

- Aft deck: 35,00%, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m, 17,72 ft / 5,40 m

- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m

- Average freeboard: 16,78 ft / 5,12 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 111,7%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127,2%

Waterplane Area: 23 777 Square feet or 2 209 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 630 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,93

- Longitudinal: 1,88

- Overall: 1,00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

скрыть

[Vova7]

Переборка д.б. высокой если Вы хотите подводню часть защищать - на всю осадку т.е. 8-9 метров

[boroda]

Переборка д.б. высокой если Вы хотите подводню часть защищать - на всю осадку т.е. 8-9 метров

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Если есть возможность то почему бы и нет. Разве что у тихоходов её можно уменьшить ради увеличения скорости.

[Vova7]

Если есть возможность то почему бы и нет.

просто смысла в 2х метровой переборке нету.. тогда проще ее совсем убрать.. тем более что на русских кораблях она только с Цесаря появилась