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Кстати, ПТР того времени (польские ружья Марошека, например) являлись проблемой именно для легких танков. Можно сколько угодно критиковать польское ПТР, но и немецкие, и советские танки несли от него потери в 1939 году. Несопоставимые с действиями артиллерии и экипажей, засаживавших танки в болота, но тем не менее.

В целом же, что немецкая, что советская броня защищала только от пуль и осколков. Бронебойный патрон, а тем более снаряд – и привет.

https://topwar.ru/141937-btv-rkka-protiv-pancervaffen-hrustalnye-moloty-obzor-legkih-tankov.html

 

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https://www.russian-money.ru/banknotes/sssr/proekty/

 

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http://saper.isnet.ru/index-mines.html

http://saper.isnet.ru/index-texnica.html

 

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https://notescollector.eu/pages/ru/notes.php?noteId=536

 

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https://www.dom1n.com/artykuly/7tp-wzmocniony-7tp-wz-39-9tp-pzinz-9tp-bbtbrpanc/

 

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много полезной инфы по польским экспериментам с бронетехникой https://seryj221221.livejournal.com/?skip=10&tag=Польша

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польские БРЭМ на шасси "семерки" - к слову - я тоже не знал о их существовании до этого момента - судя по фото - построили как минимум 2 машины

 

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таки нашел реконструкцию ЗСУ на шасси семерки сделанную по сохранившимся словесным описаниям машины

 

 

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по 14ТР https://seryj221221.livejournal.com/229415.html

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и реконструкция предполагаемого вида 14ТР

к слову - реконструкция вполне правдоподобная - убранный колесный привод визуально не отличается от старого (всё "внутре средневекового рыцаря"(с)

толщина брони увеличена, увеличен наклон лобовой бронеплиты, модернизирована башня, орудие заменено на 47-миллиметровое, то что пулеметы остались "Браунингами" тоже логично - "тип С" в 1939 был еще слишком "сырым" для серийного производства

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Light (Assault) Tank 14-TP

While in relation to the 10TP tank, we have rather full information (including photographs, allowing the restoration of it's appearance in drawings), then information related to the tank 14TP are quite rudimentary. The report on the state of armored warfare presented at the KSUS meeting in January 1937, contains the characteristics of different vehicles in the form of side sketches with the overall dimensions and the essential technical and tactical data. In these materials, the drawing of the 14TP is identical to the drawing of the 10TP, but later it's appearance can be changed, because the design was in the even development stage.

Independently of wheel - tracked cruiser tank 10TP, the program provided development of tank with construction was similar to 10TP but with armor reaching a thickness of 10 - 35 mm. It have designation 14TP and was under development parallel to the cruiser tank 10TP.
10TP trails proved that the concept of wheel - tracked tank is a dead end, the tank even as a refined design wouldn't have such qualities that could justify mass production.

The Successor of 10TP - 14TP repeated design of 10TP with same chassis system. However, this tank has to move solely on tracks and featured engine of 300hp. power. He had to reach speed of 50 km / h.
Has changed shape of front hull, designers resigned from the steering mechanism of the first axle, hydraulic lifting mechanism of second axle and of complex gear driving the rear wheels. During the 10TP trails engineers conducting research reported many reservations about the complex driving gear wheel, in practice become clear this complex rear ger wasn't used because tank could move on wheeled traction only on the hard roads while any atemp to off-road driving ends of tank being stuck. In such situation, the complex gear did only unnecessary strain on the vehicle and took precious hull space with could be saved for the better armor, ammunition and fuel.

The front plate of the hull had to be probably a single plate inclined at a large angle. Water cooled Browning wz.30 machine gun mounted in heavy armored mantle of front hull, supposed to be replaced with prototype Air Cooled Type-C machine gun mounted in much lighter and simpler ball joke of eng. Napiórkowski.

Weapons mounted in turret and the turret it self suppose to be similar to the ones of 10TP, but the Browning wz.30 in heavy armored mantle has to be replaced with prototype Type-C machine gun in a simpler Napiórkowski ball mantle. Probably in the future the main gun of tank could be the prototype anti tank gun of cpt. Stetkiewicz design. Turret has to be made of thicker armor plates (35-50mm), it is known that such turret was in development in spring of 1939r. perhaps for its development was used prototype turret of 10TP. Design of welded armor of this were entrusted to debuting Eng. Stefan Stankiewicz. Amazingly, for the armor of the new tower Eng. Stankiewicz did use plates of only 20mm thickness. Perhaps due to the troubles associated with the implementation of technology required fo manufacture of bent armor plates of a greater thickness. 

хотя учитывая сырость пулеметом тип С, в 140-м скорее всего будут еще Браунинги

и да, 14ТР оказывается, разрабатывался не после 10ТР а парралельно с ним - как минимум с января 1937 года

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http://alternathistory.com/rkka-v-1939-g-nepobedimaya-i-legendarnaya-ili-kakovo-eyo-realnoe-sostoyanie-v-eto-vremya/

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_infantry_weapons

 

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http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerzas/Armas/Armas.htm