Флот в межвоенный период, часть I

[Саурон]

А дизельную "Диану" будем базировать на Романов-на-Мурмане? Там солярочка то не замёрзнет?

[Vova7]

Там солярочка то не замёрзнет?

так на ПЛ во время ВОВ вроде не замерзала

мне корабль очень понравился...........

и это хорошо..

[Cobra]

дальность плавания в 50000 миль

СОгласен.....

А дизельную "Диану"

Она ж не чисто дизельная, паром все греть при необходимости, тем более в жилом корабле даже при переодическом обогреве помещений паровым отоплением, температура не падает ниже нуля в нефтянных танках.........

[SergeyM]

в варинате 24-узловом с 12-254 мм ор выходит такой кораблик

Дмитрий Донской, Россия Броносный крейсер laid down 1908

Displacement:

17 232 t light; 18 137 t standard; 24 035 t normal; 28 753 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)

(664,37 ft / 647,97 ft) x 79,72 ft x (27,23 / 31,61 ft)

(202,50 m / 197,50 m) x 24,30 m x (8,30 / 9,63 m)

Armament:

12 - 10,00" / 254 mm 45,0 cal guns - 504,26lbs / 228,73kg shells, 100 per gun

Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model

6 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, evenly spread

2 raised mounts

10 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun

Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1908 Model

10 x Single mounts on sides amidships

6 raised mounts

10 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun

Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1908 Model

10 x Single mounts on sides amidships

Weight of broadside 7 115 lbs / 3 227 kg

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 7,01" / 178 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

Ends: 5,00" / 127 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

24,61 ft / 7,50 m Unarmoured ends

Upper: 2,99" / 76 mm 623,36 ft / 190,00 m 6,89 ft / 2,10 m

Main Belt covers 78% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 10,0" / 254 mm 7,99" / 203 mm 5,98" / 152 mm

2nd: 2,99" / 76 mm 2,99" / 76 mm -

3rd: 2,99" / 76 mm - -

- Protected deck - multiple decks: 1,97" / 50 mm For and Aft decks

Forecastle: 1,97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 10,00" / 254 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,

No drive to shaft, 3 shafts, 48 171 shp / 35 935 Kw = 24,00 kts

Range 30 000nm at 11,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 10 615 tons

Complement:

964 - 1 254

Cost:

?1,586 million / $6,343 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 1 916 tons, 8,0%

Armour: 6 256 tons, 26,0%

- Belts: 3 072 tons, 12,8%

- Armament: 1 620 tons, 6,7%

- Armour Deck: 1 385 tons, 5,8%

- Conning Tower: 179 tons, 0,7%

Machinery: 2 433 tons, 10,1%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 627 tons, 27,6%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6 803 tons, 28,3%

Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

40 466 lbs / 18 355 Kg = 80,9 x 10,0 " / 254 mm shells or 4,2 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16

Metacentric height 4,7 ft / 1,4 m

Roll period: 15,4 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,61

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,42

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has raised forecastle,

a ram bow and a cruiser stern

Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,598 / 0,616

Length to Beam Ratio: 8,13 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 25,46 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):

Fore end, Aft end

- Forecastle: 20,00%, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m

- Forward deck: 30,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Aft deck: 35,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Average freeboard: 19,55 ft / 5,96 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 58,0%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134,5%

Waterplane Area: 37 712 Square feet or 3 504 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 139%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 141 lbs/sq ft or 686 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,99

- Longitudinal: 1,15

- Overall: 1,01

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

скрыть

[SergeyM]

в варианте с 27 узлами и 10-254 мм ор -вот такой

Дмитрий Донской, Россия Броносный крейсер laid down 1908

Displacement:

17 866 t light; 18 715 t standard; 24 035 t normal; 28 290 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)

(664,37 ft / 647,97 ft) x 79,72 ft x (27,23 / 31,18 ft)

(202,50 m / 197,50 m) x 24,30 m x (8,30 / 9,50 m)

Armament:

10 - 10,00" / 254 mm 45,0 cal guns - 504,26lbs / 228,73kg shells, 100 per gun

Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model

5 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, evenly spread

2 raised mounts

10 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun

Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1908 Model

10 x Single mounts on sides amidships

6 raised mounts

10 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun

Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1908 Model

10 x Single mounts on sides amidships

Weight of broadside 6 106 lbs / 2 770 kg

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 5,98" / 152 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

Ends: 5,00" / 127 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

24,61 ft / 7,50 m Unarmoured ends

Upper: 2,99" / 76 mm 623,36 ft / 190,00 m 6,89 ft / 2,10 m

Main Belt covers 78% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 10,0" / 254 mm 7,99" / 203 mm 5,98" / 152 mm

2nd: 2,99" / 76 mm 2,99" / 76 mm -

3rd: 2,99" / 76 mm - -

- Protected deck - multiple decks: 1,97" / 50 mm For and Aft decks

Forecastle: 1,97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 10,00" / 254 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,

No drive to shaft, 3 shafts, 75 983 shp / 56 683 Kw = 27,00 kts

Range 27 000nm at 11,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 9 575 tons

Complement:

964 - 1 254

Cost:

?1,710 million / $6,841 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 1 636 tons, 6,8%

Armour: 5 785 tons, 24,1%

- Belts: 2 828 tons, 11,8%

- Armament: 1 393 tons, 5,8%

- Armour Deck: 1 385 tons, 5,8%

- Conning Tower: 179 tons, 0,7%

Machinery: 3 838 tons, 16,0%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 607 tons, 27,5%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6 169 tons, 25,7%

Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

32 518 lbs / 14 750 Kg = 65,0 x 10,0 " / 254 mm shells or 3,2 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,21

Metacentric height 5,0 ft / 1,5 m

Roll period: 14,9 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,46

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,13

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has raised forecastle,

a ram bow and a cruiser stern

Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,598 / 0,615

Length to Beam Ratio: 8,13 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 25,46 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):

Fore end, Aft end

- Forecastle: 20,00%, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m

- Forward deck: 30,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Aft deck: 35,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Average freeboard: 19,55 ft / 5,96 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73,2%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134,5%

Waterplane Area: 37 712 Square feet or 3 504 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 129%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 137 lbs/sq ft or 670 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,98

- Longitudinal: 1,11

- Overall: 1,00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

скрыть

[Cobra]

очень забавно... а вот дальность мне понравилась.................

В целом считаю, что отходить от избранной схемы мы не будем, имелось в виду вооружение: 2х3 12"(105 сн.), 6х2 120/50 (250 сн.), 4х1 75 зен.(300 сн.), 2х1 37/70 зен. (500 сн.), 3х2 456мм ТА (всего торпед 18)

Броня: пояс 51-152-51, палубы верхняя 25.4, нижняя 38, скос 51, рубка 178, Башни ГК: лоб-203, борт - 125, тыл -254, крыша 75; барбеты ГК 152-51, башни ПМК(в том числе подача и барбеты - 25мм)....................

[SergeyM]

Да там машина нерально мало весит.

Пересчитав на 1906 год имеем 24 узловика

Дмитрий Донской, Россия Броносный крейсер laid down 1908 (Engine 1906)

Displacement:

17 946 t light; 18 854 t standard; 24 196 t normal; 28 468 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)

(664,37 ft / 647,97 ft) x 79,72 ft x (27,23 / 31,18 ft)

(202,50 m / 197,50 m) x 24,30 m x (8,30 / 9,50 m)

Armament:

12 - 10,00" / 254 mm 45,0 cal guns - 504,26lbs / 228,73kg shells, 100 per gun

Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model

6 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, evenly spread

2 raised mounts

10 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun

Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1908 Model

10 x Single mounts on sides amidships

6 raised mounts

10 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun

Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1908 Model

10 x Single mounts on sides amidships

Weight of broadside 7 115 lbs / 3 227 kg

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 7,01" / 178 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

Ends: 5,00" / 127 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

24,61 ft / 7,50 m Unarmoured ends

Upper: 2,99" / 76 mm 623,36 ft / 190,00 m 6,89 ft / 2,10 m

Main Belt covers 78% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 10,0" / 254 mm 7,99" / 203 mm 5,98" / 152 mm

2nd: 2,99" / 76 mm 2,99" / 76 mm -

3rd: 2,99" / 76 mm - -

- Protected deck - multiple decks: 1,97" / 50 mm For and Aft decks

Forecastle: 1,97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 10,00" / 254 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,

No drive to shaft, 3 shafts, 48 429 shp / 36 128 Kw = 24,00 kts

Range 24 000nm at 11,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 9 614 tons

Complement:

969 - 1 260

Cost:

Ј1,710 million / $6,841 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 1 916 tons, 7,9%

Armour: 6 263 tons, 25,9%

- Belts: 3 073 tons, 12,7%

- Armament: 1 620 tons, 6,7%

- Armour Deck: 1 390 tons, 5,7%

- Conning Tower: 180 tons, 0,7%

Machinery: 3 145 tons, 13,0%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 622 tons, 27,4%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6 250 tons, 25,8%

Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

35 262 lbs / 15 995 Kg = 70,5 x 10,0 " / 254 mm shells or 3,5 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17

Metacentric height 4,8 ft / 1,4 m

Roll period: 15,4 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,60

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,41

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has raised forecastle,

a ram bow and a cruiser stern

Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,602 / 0,619

Length to Beam Ratio: 8,13 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 25,46 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):

Fore end, Aft end

- Forecastle: 20,00%, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m

- Forward deck: 30,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Aft deck: 35,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Average freeboard: 19,55 ft / 5,96 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 67,0%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134,3%

Waterplane Area: 37 853 Square feet or 3 517 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 130%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 140 lbs/sq ft or 684 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,99

- Longitudinal: 1,12

- Overall: 1,00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

скрыть

[SergeyM]

Для 27 узловика -так.

Дмитрий Донской, Россия Броносный крейсер laid down 1908 (Engine 1906)

Displacement:

19 395 t light; 20 260 t standard; 24 798 t normal; 28 429 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)

(664,37 ft / 647,97 ft) x 79,72 ft x (27,23 / 30,54 ft)

(202,50 m / 197,50 m) x 24,30 m x (8,30 / 9,31 m)

Armament:

10 - 10,00" / 254 mm 45,0 cal guns - 504,26lbs / 228,73kg shells, 100 per gun

Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model

5 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, evenly spread

2 raised mounts

10 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun

Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1908 Model

10 x Single mounts on sides amidships

6 raised mounts

10 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun

Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1908 Model

10 x Single mounts on sides amidships

Weight of broadside 6 106 lbs / 2 770 kg

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 5,98" / 152 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

Ends: 5,98" / 152 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

24,61 ft / 7,50 m Unarmoured ends

Upper: 2,99" / 76 mm 623,36 ft / 190,00 m 6,89 ft / 2,10 m

Main Belt covers 78% of normal length

Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 10,0" / 254 mm 7,99" / 203 mm 5,98" / 152 mm

2nd: 2,99" / 76 mm 2,99" / 76 mm -

3rd: 2,99" / 76 mm - -

- Protected deck - multiple decks: 1,97" / 50 mm For and Aft decks

Forecastle: 1,97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 10,00" / 254 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,

No drive to shaft, 3 shafts, 78 025 shp / 58 207 Kw = 27,00 kts

Range 20 000nm at 11,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 8 169 tons

Complement:

987 - 1 284

Cost:

?1,936 million / $7,743 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 1 636 tons, 6,6%

Armour: 5 992 tons, 24,2%

- Belts: 3 006 tons, 12,1%

- Armament: 1 393 tons, 5,6%

- Armour Deck: 1 409 tons, 5,7%

- Conning Tower: 183 tons, 0,7%

Machinery: 5 067 tons, 20,4%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 700 tons, 27,0%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5 403 tons, 21,8%

Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

28 276 lbs / 12 826 Kg = 56,6 x 10,0 " / 254 mm shells or 2,6 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,22

Metacentric height 5,1 ft / 1,6 m

Roll period: 14,8 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,44

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,08

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has raised forecastle,

a ram bow and a cruiser stern

Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,617 / 0,631

Length to Beam Ratio: 8,13 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 25,46 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):

Fore end, Aft end

- Forecastle: 20,00%, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m

- Forward deck: 30,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Aft deck: 35,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Average freeboard: 19,55 ft / 5,96 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86,8%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133,7%

Waterplane Area: 38 386 Square feet or 3 566 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 137 lbs/sq ft or 669 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,99

- Longitudinal: 1,05

- Overall: 1,00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

скрыть

[SergeyM]

попробовав вживить в корпус 27 узловика ваше вооружение и броню имеем

Дмитрий Донской, Россия Броносный крейсер laid down 1908 (Engine 1906)

Displacement:

18 125 t light; 19 046 t standard; 24 798 t normal; 29 400 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)

(664,37 ft / 647,97 ft) x 79,72 ft x (27,23 / 31,43 ft)

(202,50 m / 197,50 m) x 24,30 m x (8,30 / 9,58 m)

Armament:

6 - 12,00" / 305 mm 52,0 cal guns - 922,60lbs / 418,48kg shells, 100 per gun

Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model

2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread

12 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 250 per gun

Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model

6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread

4 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,98lbs / 5,89kg shells, 300 per gun

Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model

4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread

2 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 70,0 cal guns - 1,73lbs / 0,79kg shells, 600 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model

2 x Single mounts on sides amidships

Weight of broadside 6 229 lbs / 2 825 kg

18 - 18,0" / 456 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,065 t each, 19,165 t total

In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 5,98" / 152 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

Ends: 2,01" / 51 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

24,61 ft / 7,50 m Unarmoured ends

Upper: 2,99" / 76 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 6,89 ft / 2,10 m

Main Belt covers 78% of normal length

Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 7,99" / 203 mm 2,99" / 76 mm 5,98" / 152 mm

2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,98" / 25 mm 0,98" / 25 mm

- Protected deck - multiple decks: 2,48" / 63 mm For and Aft decks

Forecastle: 2,48" / 63 mm Quarter deck: 2,48" / 63 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 7,01" / 178 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,

No drive to shaft, 3 shafts, 78 025 shp / 58 207 Kw = 27,00 kts

Range 25 500nm at 11,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 10 355 tons

Complement:

987 - 1 284

Cost:

?2,005 million / $8,019 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 1 613 tons, 6,5%

- Guns: 1 594 tons, 6,4%

- Torpedoes: 19 tons, 0,1%

Armour: 4 568 tons, 18,4%

- Belts: 2 094 tons, 8,4%

- Armament: 569 tons, 2,3%

- Armour Deck: 1 776 tons, 7,2%

- Conning Tower: 128 tons, 0,5%

Machinery: 5 067 tons, 20,4%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 877 tons, 27,7%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6 674 tons, 26,9%

Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

29 045 lbs / 13 174 Kg = 33,6 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 2,5 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,40

Metacentric height 6,4 ft / 1,9 m

Roll period: 13,3 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,37

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,22

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has raised forecastle,

a ram bow and a cruiser stern

Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,617 / 0,634

Length to Beam Ratio: 8,13 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 25,46 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):

Fore end, Aft end

- Forecastle: 20,00%, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m

- Forward deck: 30,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Aft deck: 35,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Average freeboard: 19,55 ft / 5,96 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90,7%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 131,5%

Waterplane Area: 38 386 Square feet or 3 566 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 137 lbs/sq ft or 669 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,98

- Longitudinal: 1,20

- Overall: 1,00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

скрыть

[Cobra]

год закладки то 10-й и машина то поновей будет.......

[SergeyM]

год закладки то 10-й и машина то поновей будет.......

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Дальность до 30 тыс растет... Но таки корабль размером с ЛК у нас. Может все таки уменьшить его тыщ до 18-ти с соотв уменьшением дальности? В 18 Кт снтадартоно влезает 16 тыс миль дальности.

[Doctor Haider]

Дальность до 30 тыс растет.

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Нафига стока! 12 тыс миль за глаза!

[SergeyM]

Нафига стока! 12 тыс миль за глаза!

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Ну так посудина боооольшая, нефти много влезает. Если ограничить дальность 12000 миль то будет так.

Дмитрий Донской, Россия Броносный крейсер laid down 1910 (Engine 1907)

Displacement:

14 467 t light; 15 239 t standard; 17 321 t normal; 18 987 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)

(585,63 ft / 585,63 ft) x 66,60 ft x (27,56 / 29,67 ft)

(178,50 m / 178,50 m) x 20,30 m x (8,40 / 9,04 m)

Armament:

6 - 12,00" / 305 mm 52,0 cal guns - 922,60lbs / 418,48kg shells, 100 per gun

Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1910 Model

2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread

12 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 250 per gun

Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1910 Model

6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread

4 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,98lbs / 5,89kg shells, 300 per gun

Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model

4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread

2 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 70,0 cal guns - 1,73lbs / 0,79kg shells, 600 per gun

Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model

2 x Single mounts on sides amidships

Weight of broadside 6 229 lbs / 2 825 kg

18 - 18,0" / 456 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,073 t each, 19,309 t total

In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 5,98" / 152 mm 390,42 ft / 119,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

Ends: 2,01" / 51 mm 164,04 ft / 50,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

31,17 ft / 9,50 m Unarmoured ends

Upper: 2,99" / 76 mm 390,42 ft / 119,00 m 6,89 ft / 2,10 m

Main Belt covers 103% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 7,99" / 203 mm 2,99" / 76 mm 5,98" / 152 mm

2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,98" / 25 mm 0,98" / 25 mm

- Protected deck - multiple decks: 2,48" / 63 mm For and Aft decks

Forecastle: 2,48" / 63 mm Quarter deck: 2,48" / 63 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 7,01" / 178 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,

Direct drive, 3 shafts, 62 835 shp / 46 875 Kw = 27,00 kts

Range 12 000nm at 11,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 3 749 tons

Complement:

754 - 981

Cost:

?1,667 million / $6,669 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 1 614 tons, 9,3%

- Guns: 1 594 tons, 9,2%

- Torpedoes: 19 tons, 0,1%

Armour: 4 074 tons, 23,5%

- Belts: 2 128 tons, 12,3%

- Armament: 569 tons, 3,3%

- Armour Deck: 1 276 tons, 7,4%

- Conning Tower: 101 tons, 0,6%

Machinery: 3 570 tons, 20,6%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 209 tons, 30,1%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 854 tons, 16,5%

Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

16 184 lbs / 7 341 Kg = 18,7 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 1,7 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11

Metacentric height 3,3 ft / 1,0 m

Roll period: 15,3 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,89

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,20

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has raised forecastle,

a normal bow and a cruiser stern

Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,564 / 0,574

Length to Beam Ratio: 8,79 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 24,20 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):

Fore end, Aft end

- Forecastle: 20,00%, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m

- Forward deck: 30,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Aft deck: 35,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Average freeboard: 19,55 ft / 5,96 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101,3%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 122,9%

Waterplane Area: 27 580 Square feet or 2 562 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 659 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,95

- Longitudinal: 1,60

- Overall: 1,00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

скрыть

[Doctor Haider]

Ну так посудина боооольшая, нефти много влезает. Если ограничить дальность 12000 миль то будет так.

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На мой взгляд - самое то!

[SergeyM]

Не знаю... по мне так броня слабовата .В проекте на "системе тима" броняшка поадекватнее.

[Doctor Haider]

Там ЭУ нереально легкая, но пожалуй она достаточно легкая и у вас - 56 кг/лс - для 1910 г. не слишком ли?

[SergeyM]

я и так на 3 года страше коабля ее делал. можно 1906-го делать, там 66 кг-лс. Водоизмещение растет тонн на 700.

[Doctor Haider]

там 66 кг-лс. Водоизмещение растет тонн на 700.

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Вот это вполне реально.

[Vova7]

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 5,98" / 152 mm 390,42 ft / 119,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

может на метр-полтора пониже, но до 178 толщину довести

[Mukhin]

А, так Севастополь и прочие - это не ЛК, а ЭБР-ы? Ну, да. это меняет дело. Но толку от создания северного флота по прежнему не вижу. Строить дорогущую железку, порт, базировать эскадру - и всё это ради того, что бы гонять торговлю по Северному морю? Хм, хм. А для прорыва в океан - что Мурманск, что Вильгельмсхафен...

Что касаемо - а куды их девать... ну во-первых, можно оставить на Балтике в качестве учебно-артиллерийских кораблей. А можно зафигачить на ТО. Пусть работают плавбатареями. Будут поддерживать десант на Гонконг или Хайфон

[SergeyM]

Будут поддерживать десант на Гонконг или Хайфон

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Там одними старыми ЭБРами много не навоюешь. Какой Гонконг -Владик и Артур бы остоять. Вот ксати в Артур их и загнать -в добавление к ББО.

[wizard]

Для прорыва в океан Мурманск без наличия 3-4 АУГ гораздо хуже.

Толку особо сейчас нет. А ШОБ БУЛО.

[Good]

Все таки решил оставить 12х2 120..

Водоизмещение увеличится на 441 Т, а стоимость - на 1338 тыс. руб.

Измаил, Российская Империя Линейный Корабль laid down 1912 (Engine 1908)

Displacement:

29 767 t light; 31 688 t standard; 34 491 t normal; 36 733 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)

(654,70 ft / 652,89 ft) x 94,91 ft x (28,58 / 30,18 ft)

(199,55 m / 199,00 m) x 28,93 m x (8,71 / 9,20 m)

Armament:

12 - 14,00" / 356 mm 52,0 cal guns - 1 646,85lbs / 747,00kg shells, 92 per gun

Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model

2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread

1 raised mount

2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread

1 raised mount

24 - 4,72" / 120 mm 50,0 cal guns - 63,93lbs / 29,00kg shells, 250 per gun

Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model

12 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread

4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 70,0 cal guns - 1,10lbs / 0,50kg shells, 350 per gun

Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model

4 x Single mounts on sides amidships

4 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 10,80lbs / 4,90kg shells, 300 per gun

Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model

4 x Single mounts on sides amidships

Weight of broadside 21 344 lbs / 9 682 kg

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 13,5" / 343 mm 433,07 ft / 132,00 m 8,04 ft / 2,45 m

Ends: 4,92" / 125 mm 219,82 ft / 67,00 m 8,04 ft / 2,45 m

Upper: 4,92" / 125 mm 433,07 ft / 132,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m

Main Belt covers 102% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:

1,50" / 38 mm 433,07 ft / 132,00 m 32,81 ft / 10,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 8,01" / 203 mm 10,0" / 254 mm

2nd: 1,85" / 47 mm 0,98" / 25 mm 1,46" / 37 mm

- Protected deck - multiple decks: 4,00" / 102 mm For and Aft decks

Forecastle: 4,00" / 102 mm Quarter deck: 4,00" / 102 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 14,00" / 356 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:

Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,

Direct drive, 4 shafts, 53 493 shp / 39 906 Kw = 23,00 kts

Range 5 500nm at 14,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 5 044 tons (50% coal)

Complement:

1 265 - 1 645

Cost:

?3,479 million / $13,915 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 4 672 tons, 13,5%

Armour: 10 665 tons, 30,9%

- Belts: 2 971 tons, 8,6%

- Torpedo bulkhead: 786 tons, 2,3%

- Armament: 2 944 tons, 8,5%

- Armour Deck: 3 643 tons, 10,6%

- Conning Tower: 320 tons, 0,9%

Machinery: 2 830 tons, 8,2%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 11 600 tons, 33,6%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4 724 tons, 13,7%

Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

39 304 lbs / 17 828 Kg = 28,6 x 14,0 " / 356 mm shells or 5,7 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,06

Metacentric height 5,2 ft / 1,6 m

Roll period: 17,6 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,22

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,32

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has a flush deck,

a normal bow and a cruiser stern

Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,682 / 0,687

Length to Beam Ratio: 6,88 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 25,55 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 4,00 degrees

Stern overhang: -3,28 ft / -1,00 m

Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):

Fore end, Aft end

- Forecastle: 20,00%, 25,92 ft / 7,90 m, 19,36 ft / 5,90 m

- Forward deck: 20,00%, 19,36 ft / 5,90 m, 19,36 ft / 5,90 m

- Aft deck: 40,00%, 19,36 ft / 5,90 m, 19,36 ft / 5,90 m

- Quarter deck: 20,00%, 19,36 ft / 5,90 m, 19,36 ft / 5,90 m

- Average freeboard: 19,88 ft / 6,06 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101,4%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 142,4%

Waterplane Area: 48 860 Square feet or 4 539 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 208 lbs/sq ft or 1 018 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,96

- Longitudinal: 1,41

- Overall: 1,00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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[Vova7]

Machinery:

Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,

вроде порешили что будет чисто нефтяной... да и эскиз мой именно из нефтяного варианта с одной трубой

[SergeyM]

???

Приведите расчёт.

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нда, не на 600 а несколько больше

Дмитрий Донской, Россия Броненосный крейсер laid down 1910 (Engine 1906)

Displacement:

15 531 t light; 16 369 t standard; 18 673 t normal; 20 516 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)

(585,63 ft / 585,63 ft) x 66,60 ft x (27,56 / 29,80 ft)

(178,50 m / 178,50 m) x 20,30 m x (8,40 / 9,08 m)

Armament:

6 - 12,00" / 305 mm 52,0 cal guns - 1 040,00lbs / 471,74kg shells, 100 per gun

Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1910 Model

2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread

Main guns limited to end-on fire

12 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 250 per gun

Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1910 Model

6 x 2-gun mounts on sides amidships

4 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 12,98lbs / 5,89kg shells, 300 per gun

Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model

4 x Single mounts on sides amidships

2 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 70,0 cal guns - 1,73lbs / 0,79kg shells, 600 per gun

Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model

2 x Single mounts on sides amidships

Weight of broadside 6 933 lbs / 3 145 kg

18 - 18,0" / 457 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,077 t each, 19,387 t total

In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:

- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)

Main: 5,98" / 152 mm 360,89 ft / 110,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

Ends: 2,01" / 51 mm 196,85 ft / 60,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

27,89 ft / 8,50 m Unarmoured ends

Main Belt covers 95% of normal length

Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)

Main: 7,99" / 203 mm 2,99" / 76 mm 5,98" / 152 mm

2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,98" / 25 mm 0,98" / 25 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 2,48" / 63 mm For and Aft decks

Forecastle: 2,48" / 63 mm Quarter deck: 2,48" / 63 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 7,01" / 178 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,

Direct drive, 3 shafts, 66 874 shp / 49 888 Kw = 27,00 kts

Range 12 000nm at 11,00 kts

Bunker at max displacement = 4 147 tons

Complement:

798 - 1 038

Cost:

?1,813 million / $7,250 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 1 614 tons, 8,6%

- Guns: 1 594 tons, 8,5%

- Torpedoes: 19 tons, 0,1%

Armour: 3 822 tons, 20,5%

- Belts: 1 739 tons, 9,3%

- Armament: 648 tons, 3,5%

- Armour Deck: 1 329 tons, 7,1%

- Conning Tower: 106 tons, 0,6%

Machinery: 4 342 tons, 23,3%

Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 752 tons, 30,8%

Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 142 tons, 16,8%

Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):

16 562 lbs / 7 512 Kg = 19,2 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes

Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12

Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m

Roll period: 15,3 seconds

Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 63 %

- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,17

Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,25

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has rise forward of midbreak,

a normal bow and a cruiser stern

Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,608 / 0,618

Length to Beam Ratio: 8,79 : 1

'Natural speed' for length: 24,20 kts

Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %

Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50

Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees

Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):

Fore end, Aft end

- Forecastle: 20,00%, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m

- Forward deck: 30,00%, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m, 25,59 ft / 7,80 m

- Aft deck: 35,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m

- Average freeboard: 21,82 ft / 6,65 m

Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,6%

- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144,5%

Waterplane Area: 28 740 Square feet or 2 670 Square metres

Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99%

Structure weight / hull surface area: 139 lbs/sq ft or 680 Kg/sq metre

Hull strength (Relative):

- Cross-sectional: 0,94

- Longitudinal: 1,76

- Overall: 1,00

Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate

Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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